12 By 12 in a Nutshell – and my first reader question!
My baby is napping and I have 30 minutes before I have to go pick up my toddler from school so I thought I would do a quick post.
Reading the book is a MUST, but if you want a quick overview of how 12 by 12 works, here it is, all in 1 post:
Once your baby reaches 9 pounds, is eating 24 ounces in a 24 hour period and is at least 4 weeks old — and you are mentally ready to start training — you can begin! (I usually start around 6-8 weeks)
STEP 1: Choose your 12 hour window that you want your baby to be in the crib, and then divide your day into 4 feeds 4 hours apart. I will always use 7pm – 7am as an example but the concepts apply to any window. So for 7-7, my DAY should look like (for feeding): 7am feed, 11am feed, 3pm feed and 7pm feed.
(Read my post here about starting with 7pm but then moving it earlier)
Will this happen in one day? Most likely no. You start from the morning and you try and get AS CLOSE to 4 hours as you can. Everyday you work on the stretching until your baby is eating during the day at those times without any trouble.
During Step 1, you focus on the day feeds and you let the baby wake up according to their natural sleep patterns at night and feed them when they wake up. (I pump during the day for the night bottles and don’t produce milk at night, this way when it is not my turn for the night feeds I get to sleep straight through –but it is definitely a lot more work during the day as I need to pump several extra times in addition to nursing full time – but Pumping we will save for another post) The book encourages you to keep a log of the feedings, and I find it very helpful for doing the training.
Here is a page from my log when my baby is 4 weeks old.
STEP 2: You reduce the night feeds (one at a time) by .5 oz every 3 nights. So if you are starting with 4.5 oz, you only offer 4 oz for 3 nights in a row and then 3.5 oz the next 3 nights, until you are down to 0 – OR the baby sleeps through it on their own. The book discusses which feeds to cut out first, so if you have more than one night feed make sure to check which one should be reduced first.
Usually a baby will eat around 2 am every night and then on their own sleep later and only wake up at 3:30 lets say, so then 3:30 am is your new nighttime feed.
I like to point out that ANY feed after the 7 pm day feed is considered a night feed. So if your baby cries and wakes up to eat at 10 pm – that is a night feed and should be done the same way as all the night feeds — lights off, no eye contact with baby, quickly and quietly. The night feeds are not the time to interact with your baby – your goal is to be in and out as fast as possible and to hopefully have them back asleep very quickly.
STEP 3: Establish a bedtime routine. I actually do Step 3 even before I start Step 1. We do the same routine every night – Bath, Lotion, PJs, Feed, Book, change into overnight diaper – sleepsack on – into the crib eyes open, mobile on, sleep sheep white noise on (goes off after 45 minutes) say goodnight “I love you” (sing Hamalach and Shema) and turn off the lights and close the door.
(In step 3 of the book she address what to do if your baby cries. You have to try it out and do what works best for your baby.)
STEP 4: Naps. Ah, the dreaded naps. With my first son, I was SO happy that the first steps went so smoothly that I didn’t even do step 4. We did everything “wrong” when it came to napping him and it was not an enjoyable experience for anyone. (I will elaborate more in a future post)
With baby 2, I attempted step 4 with such dedication. To be honest, I didn’t follow the book for step 4, I am just calling step 4 – nap training. I didn’t nap train until he was sleeping through the night not a problem, and during the training I wasn’t so concerned with where he was napping but rather that he WAS napping during the day because an overtired baby is much harder to train than a rested baby. I promise to do a post on my nap fails with baby 1 and my huge nap success with baby 2 — if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again – right?
**Disclaimer, I wrote this post without looking at the book for reference — so excuse any errors etc. Hope you enjoyed this quick post with the “Shpiel” I usually give when friends ask about sleep training.
Just as I was about to hit Publish – I got a message for a question for the blog:
“At what age is it too late to do 12 by 12?” -Love, Desperate for sleep mommy
Great question R!! I believe the concepts of the book can be applied for a very long time. If a baby is 6 months and above there will be modifications in the steps – for example the day schedule won’t be as important because the baby is already eating solids etc and you know they do not NEED the food in the middle of the night and it is really more of a comfort.
In those cases, you need to use the concepts of the book to empower yourself and be confident that this is best for you and your baby. You want to teach that bedtime and the crib is not a scary thing. You stay consistent and you make sure you give your child the tools they need to self soothe. It is a SKILL to be able to sleep, and one that your baby will learn and you will teach them. I’ll never forget reading the line in the book, “Rocking a twelve-week-old baby over and over again in a glider until he falls asleep is the equivalent of carrying a two-year old everywhere in your arms over and over again. In each case, the babies have the ability to sleep or walk, respectively, but the parents are constantly “fixing” it for them instead of guiding the babies to do it on their own.”(pg. 19) {Yes, I went and got the book to reference this – no, I don’t know the lines by heart :)}
The point is, you teaching your baby this skill of falling asleep on their own, putting themselves back to sleep, self-soothing and being able to wake up and hang out instead of screaming, is all for their benefit. (And yours too, of course!) In fact, a lot of these points spill over into my parenting philosophy as well. We want to raise our children to be able to handle challenges. We can’t always be “fixers.”
Suzy Giordano (author of 12 by 12) elaborates on teaching this skill and really helped me feel empowered to do so. In fact, she comments on an extreme experience where she even once trained a 5 year old boy who had been sleeping in his mother’s bed for 2 years. Suzy makes me think – anything is possible!
I am attempting this sleep schedule with my twins, 8 weeks old, 10 and 11lbs. I am only a couple days in but the problems I’m facing she doesn’t address in the book. I was hoping you might have some advice. First issue is my little girl (LG) isn’t eating enough during the day or the night. in a 24 hour period she is only getting 19-21oz in. I’m trying to get her to eat larger volumes but she won’t and if I push too much she just spits it out. I am thinking of modifying the plan to be 5 meals in 12 hours instead of 4 but am unsure if this will make it harder to have them sleep at night? Second issue with both babies and they are so tired all day! I spend 90% of my daytime hours trying to keep them both awake during their “awake” times. I am literally bouncing around a baby who is asleep in my arms. Would it mess up the progress we’ve made on nighttime sleep by giving them longer naps or adding a 3rd (1 hour) nap into the schedule? My LG is only awaking 2x a night between 8pm and 8am so I feel like adding a daytime nap may help. My little boy is just so hungry I think the 5th meal will help because he isn’t eating enough at each feeding either. Any advice would be helpful. I am a new mom and i want to do this right. Thanks for reading.
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Hi! First of all, yes I very much believe they can sleep more than the book says. My second son took 2 two hour naps and then a 45 minute cat nap before bath time. (I address the sleep in one of the posts – I encourage the 3rd nap so that they are awake when they go to sleep) What kind of bottles are you using? Re your daughter, I think the book says they need to be getting 24 oz in 24 hours in order to start, but maybe ask your dr? I do know people that have done 5 meals throughout the 12 hours. The 4 hours between meals is supposed to help them be very hungry and eat a big meal, but as long as she’s eating in 12 hours instead of 24 than it’s the same goal
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Feel free to email me askbabyconcierge@gmail.com and we can talk out more details!
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I try to soothe my 8 week old in order to feed him every 4 hours instead of 3 during the day but he is so angry when it’s feeding time that he is just unconsolable. No pacifier or other technique has been able to soothe him to start making day feedings longer. He also has reflux issues so the pediatrician told me not to make him wait longer than 3-3 1/2 hours during the day to eat. He’s eating 4 ounces per feeding.
After his 9pm feeding he will usually wake up at 2:30-3:00am and then again at 6.
Don’t even know where to start… help!
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I’d be happy to help – emailing you now!
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Thanks for your post! I am in the middle of “listening” to the book and have a 12 week old baby. I have created some bad habits I need help with. No I’m not sure if the rules apply since my baby is 3 months old. We rock her to sleep and sneak her into the bassinet every night (bad habit I know) around 9 or 10. She sleeps for about 4 hours then wakes up to eat, so around 2 am, then again around 5 am. I usually end up falling asleep after one of the night feeds when holding her up for 30 min so she won’t spit up. So she sleeps on me most of the night to be real honest either after the first or second feed. I tried putting her down awake and she just starts crying every time. I can’t make it even a full minute before running in the room to pick her up to sooth her to sleep. She has no self soothing skills yet. I don’t know where to start! First baby and so in love, but I do want her to learn the proper skills. -Jamie
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Hi Jamie – I sent you an email, I’d be happy to help! Let me know if you don’t see it
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Hi! I didn’t get your email.
Jamie
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Hi- My wife and I are interested in all of the above. Any chance you can post your replies here as they may address more viewers? Thanks!
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Sure! However they usually end up being conversations because I ask questions and based on answers I give advice. Feel free to email me I’d be happy to help!!
To Adriana I emailed – Hi!
I’d be happy to help.
First thing I see is that 4 oz is not enough at a feed. What size nipple are you using on the bottle? Have you upped the nipple size since he was born?
Thanks!
And to Jamie I wrote:
Hi Jamie!
Thanks for your question. Congrats on becoming a mama! I’d be happy to help,
Before we tackle the night time, let’s talk about what the days look like?
Walk me through a typical day
Thanks!
And based on her responses I wrote,
Ok so I know it might seem crazy, but babies can 100% put themselves to sleep and self soothe to sleep. Most sleep training books will say the key is having them fall asleep on their own so that when they wake up in the middle of the night (which most babies and adults do) they know how to fall right back asleep and don’t need your help.
My suggestions are two-fold.
1) the method is about making sure they eat enough in the 12 hours they’re awake. Since she won’t take a bottle, I’m not sure how to suggest because for moms that do it breastfeeding I always suggest adding a top off bottle to the end of a feed because nursing only 4 times a day is not usually enough. If offered a top off, then they can make the 4 hours. So I don’t know how to guide this part because I would never want the baby to not eat enough. She should be able to go more than 2 hours though so it’s good to start stretching so that it’s meals and not snacking all day.
2) try putting her down awake at bedtime. Make sure to have a routine so she gets used to it. I like to do bath, then feed, then change diaper and put sleep sack on. Put down awake, turn mobile on, I turn on a star projector, can do white noise, whatever works but a routine that you will do every night. If she learns to put herself to sleep that’s a big part of the whole thing. I’ve seen many people say they never thought they could but then they do it. If you stay consistent that’s the best. You can let her cry for 3-5 minutes which means if she stops crying before it’s 3 minutes but then starts again then the clock restarts. If she’s still crying, go in and calm her down and then say ok don’t worry it’s bed time etc, and try again.
3) the key to the method is having a day feeding schedule, so maybe in your case instead of 4 feeds it would be 5, and then once that’s set, you start to reduce the night feeds slowly.
Hope this is helpful and lmk if questions!!
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I tried this method starting at 8 weeks old and it really screwed up my milk supply. I would not recommend this to nursing mothers. My milk supply never really bounced back. I stopped after about a week and a half and went back to feeding baby about every 2-3 hours. She’s now 5 months old and sleeps normally for that age (waking about twice a night). I’ll be trying another method soon now that she’s older and I’m less worried that I’d be starving her if she eats only every 4 hours (she’s a bit on a slim side so I was worried about her daily intake). In a nut – I would definitely not do this!
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I don’t think bodies are meant to only nurse 4 times a day, I’ve wrote it many times. You can 100% do the method and add pumping sessions to keep up your milk supply. If you do it breastfeeding I recommend a top off post feeds to ensure baby is actually getting enough at each feed.
Taken from one of my posts “When I start training and I’m pumping and not nursing, I pump 15-20 minutes a session, and I pump more often than the baby is eating. Usually 5 or 6 times even when baby is only eating 4 times”
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Hi, My son is 14 weeks old and I’m worried I’m creating bad sleep habits for him and need some advice. I’ve been working on having him sleep by himself in the crib this past few weeks and have made progress. He still wakes up to feed at around 3am which my paediatrician says it’s ok to remove but haven’t had any luck with him grabbing the pacifier at this time to help him go back to sleep. As well, at around 6am he wakes up whaling until I give up and bring him to my bed to sleep 1 more hour with me (bad habit, I know) what can I do to fix this? Thanks!
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Hey!
Tell me about his day – when he eats, how much he eats etc
At the 3 am feed, have you tried to reduce it by .5 oz every 3 nights?
Does he sleep in a sleep sack?
Let me know! Hopefully I can help 🙂 email me the answers to askbabyconcierge@gmail.com
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Hi, I just read this book and I can definitely get on board with this method way more than some others! Only problem for me is it left me with some questions… she talks a lot about “not waking them every 3 hours” once they are 8 weeks…uhhh my little one has never regularly slept for 3 hours…(the last two nights she did so I’m hoping that becomes a habit but she’s 3 months old and I can count on one hand the amount of times she has slept longer than 3 hours). We just started the 4 feeds every 4 hours and that’s been going pretty well actually. My other issue is the 3-5 minute cry it out rule… again I like the limited cry method because I just don’t have the heart to do full on cry it out, but she mentions once they are screaming bloody murder it’s okay to pick them up, they’re past the point of being productive. My problem is my little one goes from 0-death scream in about two minutes. Patting/talking to her has worked maybeee once or twice. I’m not sure what to do, because I fear picking her up just teaches her to cry and get what she wants, but not picking her up leaves her screaming uncontrollably and doesn’t seem productive either.
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Hi! I totally hear what you’re saying. When is she crying hysterically? To fall asleep? She should be able to do a 3 hour stretch. Is she in a sleep sack? How much is she eating at the feeds? You can email me askbabyconcierge@gmail.com and hopefully I can help!
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My baby is 6 weeks and I am feeding him 24 w 4 ounces approx every 4 hours. He still has 3 night feedings. I’m ready to start weening off the night feeds but my question is do I feed him lass at night and then make it up w the next days feedings? Or do I start upping him during the day first? Thank you
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Hi Lauren, I am so sorry this comment got stuck in pending and I just see it now! The answer would have been that it happens simultaneously. Let me know if you have any other questions – hope it went well! Feel free to email me askbabyconcierge@gmail.com
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We just started the program last week and got the day time 4 hour feeds down pretty easily – our guy can drink 7 ounces per feed (he’s 14 pounds at 11 weeks) and is sleeping a 7 hour stretch from 930-5 but we’re having real issues with cutting out the 5am feed. We tried to cut it back to 4 ounces and he’s just inconsolable until we give him one more ounce and honestly even then he’s not thrilled and it takes a long time to go back to sleep. Should we just let him cry after the 4 ounces?
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Hi! Have you tried giving 8 oz a feed? That would add 4 oz during the day which should help if it seems that it’s real hunger at 5 am. Is your plan 9:30-9:30?
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Thanks for the quick reply! We are on 9-9 but it takes 30 mins to feed him so he goes down by 930. I’ll try upping his day time feedings but usually at 7oz he’s slow to take anymore.
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Email me so we can chat more – askbabyconcierge@gmail.com – what size nipple are you using on the bottle?
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Hi,
Is there any different guidance for babies with GERD?
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Hi! I’m so sorry for the delay. Unfortunately, I don’t know enough about GERD to advise. I’m sorry, would love to help!
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Hi,
We just started following the advice in the book and I have some questions regarding the time you let them cry. We are on 4 feeds per day, 7am-7pm, I sleep feed him at 9.30pm and then he usually starts waking up anywhere between 11.30pm-2am. I manage to calm him down with pacifier and tapping his belly and never feed hime before 2.30am but that sometimes means that I am at his crib every 10 min and don’t get any sleep at all.
Is it ok to leave the baby cry for longer than 5 min during the night and when putting him down the first time for sleep? Should I extend the time that he cries every day for few minutes?
Before reading this book we were trying gradual cit method, we saw no progress after 2 weeks, we were literally on 45min of cry, go back to the room and console, 50 min and up to 60 min per night and my little one kept crying for over two hours straight and that is when I usually picked him up, consoled and he fell asleep in a minute. He is 18 weeks now and 18lb so I know he is ready for sleep training but I just don’t know what to do with crying. I want to let him cry for longer times because I just don’t have energy nor patience sometime to go back to the room 20x per night every 10 min.
I would really appreciate any advice on this. Thank you!
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Hi!
I usually first try to get to the root of why they are waking.
First few things I ask:
1) how much is he eating during the day feeds?
2) does he go into the crib awake?
3) is he in a sleep sack?
You can email me askbabyconcierge@gmail.com with those answers and I can try and help!
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Hi! I also have question: we have established 4 feedings during the day (6:30am, 10:30am, 2:30pm, 6:30pm) and are now monitoring my daughter’s nighttime feedings. The book says to not wake them up and let them determine when to feed them at night.
The two night feedings should be around 10:30pm and 2:30am. My daughter has been “pushing forward” and eats now at midnight and 4:30am. The issue we have is that she’s not hungry when we wake her up for her first daytime feeding at 6:30am. Then the whole day becomes messed up because we gets off schedule…
What to do when the latest nighttime feeding is close to the first daytime feeding?
Thank you for your help!
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Hi!
At the 4:30 feed, instead of giving a full feed, give a “snack”, enough so that she falls back asleep but not too much that she’s not hungry for a big feed at 6:30 am. It can take some trial and error but generally 2 oz could do it!
Hope that helps!
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I have just started to use the 12 Hours by 12 Weeks method with my 8 week old son. The feeds 4 hours apart during the day was quick to master. He has a big tummy and consumes 6-8 oz per feed depending on time of day (for some reason his first feed is smallest and third feed the biggest). I preface my question by mentioning that in general, my son has one night feeding. So we are working to both push it back and reduce the amount at the same time.
On night one, he slept 7.5 hours straight and I went in to feed him quietly. He went back to sleep no problem and I went in to get him in the morning. It was great and I felt like we were off to a running start. On night two, he woke up after 5 hours but was not hungry. Just wanted his pacifier to get himself back to snoozeville until his feed time. He has always been an independent sleeper at the start of the night: goes in awake and gets himself to sleep with no issues at all. We have a shhhhing machine and he sleeps in a Merlin Sleep Suit.
My question is, do I start the controlled CIO for these non-hunger related wakeups or should I wait until the feeds are eliminated?
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Great question! My suggestion would be to switch out of the Merlin sleep suit to a sleep sack so he has the ability to self soothe and more control over his arms. Is he using the pacifier to fall asleep as well? I would suggest to have him learn to fall asleep without a pacifier so when he wakes he can put himself back to sleep without a pacifier and not need you to get back to sleep. For now, while you still have a night feed, I wouldn’t do CIO. He’s still used to waking to eat. I’m happy to answer any other questions or to discuss this further – e-mail me at askbabyconcierge@gmail.com or reply here with another comment.
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Hi! We have been doing 12×12 for a few months and my son has had huge success, now at 5 months old. He has always been a great sleeper, and my question is actually about letting him sleep TOO much? We are on 7:15 – 7:15, and I have to wake him from his naps most days (I usually let him sleep 30 minutes over as not to upset the schedule too much) because he will just keep on sleeping! For example, it’s 7:45am right now and he is still fast asleep! How long should I let him sleep beyond the usual slotted sleep times (12 hours at night and then one, one hour nap, and one, two hour nap). Also – if I do let him sleep as long as he pleases, do I then adjust his feeding schedule? I can’t say enough about 12×12 – it is a fantastic program. Thank you so much!!
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So glad you had success!
I modify the schedule slightly.
I do a 2 hour nap in the morning, and a 2 hour nap in the afternoon. And then a cat nap of 45 min – 1 hour after that (until about 6 months) I have a post on schedules for more detail. I think maybe your baby would benefit from that!
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